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I told a story last week at Immersion that made people gasp. It spoke to the notorious stinginess of those who follow Jesus. I couldn’t tell if the gasps were “agreement gasps” (“Oh no you dih’int!”) or “horrified gasps” (
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7 months ago
I think a tip should be for extraordinary service. There are lots of folks out there doing a great job, working hard for minimum wage (like my own sister) at a job where tips are not required, or even allowed.
Then there are jobs - like in a Denny's or some such restaurant - where you're lucky if you get a smile, a nod, or a cup of coffee on time, and you're expected to tip. Or when people clean your rooms in hotels or wherever.
I hate the whole "required tip" thing. It makes me nervous because I often don't know if a tip is expected or not, and I feel awkward. Usually the service is standard, but not over the top, and so I don't even want to tip.
I say people should get paid for the job they do, and tipping should be reserved for exceptional service.
I'll probably get shot for saying so, and I will still tip anyway, but it bugs me.
There. I said it.
Darlene
(PS - I am ashamed, though, that we Christians are the worst tippers. That is sad. I will take your challenge next time 'round)
7 months ago
The food runner just dropped the entire order of a 10-person table - your table. That'll be 30 extra minutes to get their food re-cooked.
Your daughter is puking at home and you don't have enough money to get a babysitter. She's 11, so you put a bucket by the couch and tell her to call you if it gets really bad.
Your manager just yelled at you. The bartender won't make the drinks for your table fast enough. And you know that unless you get $100 in tips tonight, your rent will have to wait another month.
Now, there's no way you or I could possibly know that as her customers. But after serving in the industry, there is no way to completely know what causes a server to deliver bad service. When I go out to eat, it's my chance to bless them even when they don't deserve it!
7 months ago
7 months ago
I can see Darlene's point, but the only time I give less than that is when I get horrible service. Keep in mind that the money they make are largely from tips, not their hourly pay rate which is pretty abysmal. If you want to do something extra with exceptional service either tip more or ask to see their manager. Managers are not used to having people want to talk to them because an employee gave exceptional service. It puts a smile on their face and looks good for that employee.
7 months ago
I've also been on the receiving end of these poor tips. By people wearing matching Bible camp shirts. Who also leave me a tract. And write, "bless you" on the receipt.
7 months ago
7 months ago
If a server gets up on Sunday morning with that stereotype in place, it tells me that he/she would be in a bad mood before ever getting to work. This isn't to excuse the church crowd from tipping, but the quote from the server at the restaurant seems indicative of a poor attitude that simply promotes the behavior it loathes, not vice versa.
I'm like anyone else - if I'm treated like a chore, I'm going to respond like I've been treated as such.
7 months ago
But let's say the servers are, for the most part, justified in their position? What do we do with that? How do we respond? How do we "think differently" as followers of Jesus?
7 months ago
Johanna
7 months ago
By default, I give a 20% tip, even more if the service is better than I had expected it to be. I will, on occasion give a larger than expected tip just for fun, simply to surprise the heck out of the server and indulge my playful/mischievous streak by throwing a huge surprise someone's way. It's fun, and I will most definitely make an effort to try it the next time I'm eating anywhere after church on Sunday.
Also, who's the sadist who designed those tracts that you fold up so they look like $20 bills? Found one of those on the floor at a restaurant a few years ago and felt a wave of embarassment, humiliation, and anger. I'm sure the designer had the best of intentions, but there are so many better ways to do that than to disguise a tract as an actual $20 bill.
7 months ago
"If you only greet those who greet you, what credit to you is that? Do not even the hypocrites and sinners do that..." - Jesus
7 months ago
God calls ups to be kind, patient, forgiving and generous. Frugality is not a fruit of the Spirit.
If your service is abysmal, tell the manager. I've called the "how are we doing" # from my table to complain about service at other places. Email corporate. (you can do this from your phone now) But still tip. It's a chance for you to actually offer real grace to someone. You say you're kind and generous; prove it.
Kyle
Server
P.F. Chang's,
Nashville, TN
7 months ago
lowest was $1.24 on $28.76 (they paid once, tipped 6 on 23, ordered $8 of dessert, and signed the new credit slip with the same number as before.)
7 months ago
7 months ago
Generally speaking, Christians are not just horrible tippers, but horrible customers.
My wife works in the cosmetology industry. She is an amazing hair stylist and is very reasonably priced (considering where she works and the quality of her work). Many of you reading this here know me and my wife, so you know that just over a year ago we left the where we attended. At the time roughly 50% of Sarah's customers attended this church.
Once we left to start a new church, she lost nearly all of her customers who attended the church we left. Gone. After months of loyal service, gone. Never to be heard from again.
Was it because they were bitter we left? Was it a convenience issue (i.e. it's too much work to set up an appointment on the phone vs. seeing you on Sunday mornings)? I don't know.
I do know that her business took a huge hit and so did we. So thank you, Christians, for being so unloyal and stingy and nearly putting our family in financial ruin.
Awesome.
7 months ago
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Peace to you all.
7 months ago
7 months ago
Therefore, I learned how far a tip will go by working with the people who really needed it.
I also learned that the best tips come when you're not working for it. I schmoozed my tables, small-talked, and cracked jokes and often received 30-40% tips by generally enhancing the life and bringing joy to the table.
Gay men tip the best. By far. Then it's the single women. A little flirting goes a long ways during girls nights + martinis.
People who visit from out of town who lived in towns under $500 didn't know how to tip. Those tables were bad. Cranky people were sometimes good, sometimes not.
And finally -- about Christian tippers. If you cannot afford to go out to eat and pay for the standard tip, then you shouldn't be there. Standard tip is 20% regardless of the quality of service or food, BUT you have EVERY right to complain to the manager.
A simple way to tip enough. Say the bill is 15.50, tip 20% then round up to the next dollar. 20% ~= $3.00 plus $.50. Good enough tip and it makes someone's day.
6 months ago
7 months ago
I think that if we are going to talk the talk we need to walk the walk. If you where a church camp shirt or a christian shirt ruin the stereotype and give the server a good tip it will make them a little less bias to us.
7 months ago
7 months ago
I liked what Kyle said about tipping bad service out of grace. Just knocked my "10% for abysmal service" argument on its side. So... that's gonna sting too. But I'm resolving to never tip less than 10%.
Now, can someone offer insight on how much to tip delivery guys, hair stylists and other non-restaurant situations?
7 months ago
7 months ago
I graduated from a well known Christian College, and I never figured out how to be a great server for a Christian table. I tried quoting verses alongside them and pretending not to be familiar with their favorite verse. I think that Christians might just naturally be the lousiest tipping population. Has anyone ever been offered something of great imagined value from any other demographic as payment?
My three favorites:
Couple leaves $1 bill with tract ($25 bill)
Bible verse on check rounded up from $19.XX to an even $20
Two families (table of 9) who met after church tipped $0.37 on a $65 tab
Oh, and from my experience as a bartender, I can confirm that the gay population is consistently the best tipping. They won't try to solicit or convert you, either. Well, I suppose they might, but never instead of a good tip.
7 months ago
Why the disconnect, do you think? Great comment.
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6 months ago
I've never been a waiter at a restaurant, but I do volunteer at our church cafe. We get paid with a free meal (which makes it worth it), but we also have a tip basket sitting up on the counter, and if there's anything in there at the end of the night (that's a big IF) we split it up. We are open every Sunday night after evening service, and we serve a wide demographic of people - all the way from teenagers with their own money to young families with 5 kids to 70-something year old retired couples. We do about 50 orders in the course of the evening, and serve probably 75 or more people in the course of an hour and a half. How much is in the tip basket at the end of the night? We're doing good if we have enough to make change for a dollar.
Contrast this with when we're open during Upward Basketball season. We are open for about 6 hours on Saturdays while parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, friends, etc. come to watch kids play basketball in a friendly and nurturing environment free from yelling coaches and fights with the referees. We have people from church come in and buy food as well, but most of our orders come from the non-Christian attendees. Almost every single person not from our church that comes in and orders an actual meal drops something in the tip basket (if they simply order a candy bar or a drink they don't usually). It's not uncommon for us to have $20-$40 to split between the 3 of us at the end of the day, plus the free food - not bad for volunteer work!
I am blessed with a best friend and a fiance who have the same convictions as I do about leaving a gratuitous gratuity anywhere we go. Whenever we go out to eat, we typically hang out there for an hour or more, and many times we ask the waiter/waitress if we can pray for him/her. ESPECIALLY if we ask that, we make sure to leave a nice tip. We regularly tip 30-40%, and many times much more, depending on the size of the bill. I tipped $2 the other night even though all I had was water while my friends had meals. I don't say this to tell people how awesome I am, because I certainly am not. I just want to encourage people to not be stingy. I am a commuting college student that has to work 28 hours a week to keep my head above water, so I'm no rich man. It doesn't take much to show someone that you love them and God loves them.
Think about this: the average meal at some place like Friendly's, O'Charley's, etc. including a drink is going to be about $10-$15. Let's say $15 for this example. 20% of $15 is $3. That's a normal tip - nothing to write home about, but not enough to complain about either. Add a couple bucks, and you've got a $5 tip. That's 33%. I think that would get someone's attention. I really feel like Christians should seek to bless the socks off of people we encounter in everyday life. What a cheap way to show God's love! Add $2-$5 to your tip and someone's really going to notice that! You might not be able to change the stereotype about Christians being bad tippers, but you can definitely remove yourself from that stereotype!
I know people that leave gospel tracts with their tips (my dad is one of them), and I don't necessarily think that's a bad idea. However, I do think that if you're going to leave a tract, you had better leave a darn good tip that's WAY higher than 20%. And don't try to hide the money inside the tract, because that makes them feel like they got ripped off.
There's a slogan that we used at a weekend retreat a couple years ago: "Show God's Love in a Practical Way." I think that definitely applies to tipping.
6 months ago
This is coming from someone who MORE OFTEN than not tips more than 20% and someone who was a server for a good while during college. 20% is certainly not the minimum "required" as some of you have suggested. I always start a meal willing to leave 20%, but I can't say I always end that way.
Why do I tip at least 15% almost 98% of the time? Because I understand that servers depend on the tips as wages. It is not a "bonus." They are making $3/hour, not $8 in most cases. On the other hand, if a server is openly mean or rude, or unapologetic about major failings in service, I reserve the right to withhold a tip.
I've withheld a tip, I think, twice. Once the server took over 50 minutes to deliver our meal, and she brought my husband the wrong food. Then, she blamed it on him saying he ordered the wrong thing! (when he clearly did not). She even went back to her pad, and then realized she had ordered it incorrectly but did not apologize. Then, she came back with the right dish, but it was completely frozen inside (meat). When alerted to the situation, she said - "So, do you want something else?" Gee - no kidding? She was completely ungracious and unapologetic. So, I did not leave a tip - or maybe we left a dollar or something.
The second time, I went to a seafood restaurant and ordered a calorie conscious meal along with a salad, no dressing, asked for unbuttered veggies and a plain baked potato along with my grilled fish. I also ate one of the cheese rolls that they offered there as I knew the calorie count and had budgeted to have one. I waited until the end of the meal to have mine, which I had set aside while the family ate the others. At the end of the meal I asked if she had nutrition information for the deserts, or perhaps a lower calorie dessert. She came back and said no, and I said oh, ok then I won't have dessert and she said "Well, you know those rolls are laden with fat and calories and you've been sitting here eating those - I mean, how many have you had?" "I've had one," I replied. It was an awfully awkward few minutes.
I didn't tip her. I almost wrote a tip down - "get into another line of work."
So, I reserve the right not to tip when service is deplorable and downright rude. It makes me irritated when people tip servers who display such awful behavior. They should not be servers, and I'm not going to encourage them with my money.
That said - if the service is decent, even if something bad happens or the food is slow - as long as the server shows some modicum of decency, you should plan on giving at least 15%. That's what I say anyway.
6 months ago
Good service in a restaurant includes the whole experience. That's why the tips are spread out amongst several employees. It means a reasonable wait to be seated. It means a clean table. It means clean tableware and dishes. It means good attentiveness from the wait staff. It means good food served at the proper temperature and the correct doneness and at a reasonable price. Give me all those things and I will tip well. Everybody is expected to do their part. and if someone slacks off it is up to the others to help them out or encourage them to get up to speed. If you would prefer that someone who can't afford to tip well each and everytime just stay home, (as someone stated) then expect to lose your job due to lack of business. A small tip is better than no tip.
I find it an obfuscation that we are expected to give 10% to God and 20% to a waiter/waitress. And what about the Christian attitude of the wait staff? Are we not to serve and be satisfied for what we get? Treat each customer as if they were Jesus himself and you'll be surprised at how your tips will improve. "Love your neighbor as yourself".
6 months ago
6 months ago
For almost 20 years I have tipped at least 15% unless the services was absolutely the bottom 1% of my going out experiences. For instance, in a practically empty restaurant and having to just about drag the server over to get my water glass refilled.
When I go out to a local blues club, my 'tab' is rarely over $30 (for my wife & myself because we just don't drink alcohol) for the night. I am now trying to tip about $30. I figure I was there all night and the server kept my soda or juice glass full they should get a good tip.
But the biggest reason I tip well is I am blessed with having a great career & salary. By any reasonable standard I am rich (not Bill Gates rich), especially when compared to what most people in the USA make and especially what the average standard of living the world over is. God blessed me with all of this 'stuff' I want to spread it around.
5 months ago
anyways
Without fail.. If i pull up to a house and see any indication that they are Christians (crosses, scripture plaques, bumper stickers on the car) i know that my chance of getting a tip just went from 80% to 20%. Sure, other people stiff me, but not in the predictable quantities that outward Christians do. I have actually gotten Bible pamphlets instead of tips. I will say that most outward Christians are general pleasant to deal with, but that niceness didn't pay for my gas to get here or my bills at home.
I've read responses to this problem before and it usually has the same defense.
"Christians are just watched closer"
Not true. Like I said, I usually have about an 80% chance of getting a tip. Unless it is at a retirement home, which you never get tipped, but i understand and would never expect one anyways, or at a hotel, in which case, almost always result in a tip. But on a Christians doorstep, i am likely to get nothing, or maybe a few cents.
Can anyone tell me honestly why this is?